Commons:Help desk/Archive/2024/07

Copyright help regarding File:Wappen des Stadtteils Gläserzell von Fulda.png

problem solved --NiCk 23pprr (talk) 17:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: Jmabel ! talk 20:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Correct Template for uploading the picture for the art work I take from museum

I have read When should the PD-Art tag not be used?. If I took the picture for the sculptures by myself, and sculptures maker is dead more than 100 years ago, what label should I use? Do I just do a CC-0 label (If I want to publish the picture under cc-0)? How could I tell people the original sculptures is already in the public domain?

I also been confused that it says the lighting arrangements can create the new copyright. If the museum create the lighting for the sculpture, does it mean the museum actually own the copyright for the picture (because museum created the lighting effect)? If the museum have FAQ page declare they will NOT own the copyright of any picture of the artwork. How can I link that to show that fact?

If the museum put sculpture in the yard, and the sun do the nature light to the sculpture, can I assume that the museum does NOT own the copyright?

Last, how can I separate the landscape and the artwork? For example, Geneva have "The Flower Clock", if I take a picture of it, can I say it's just a landscape (so I have full copyright for my picture) or it's an artwork create by the government? (I means since the government create it, I can assume it's in the public domain, so does not matter) But if a private company have similar thing (like the shape of their building/create some landscape on public available area), and I take a picture, can I say I have the copyright and upload it to Wiki Comments?

Tangmingxyz (talk) 11:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

For the first question, you can use something like {{Copyright information | photograph = {{Self|cc-0}} | sculpture = {{PD-100}}}}. --Geohakkeri (talk) 16:17, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@Tangmingxyz: you might want to look at the approach I took at File:Sant bisbe - c. 1500 - Museu Frederic Marès 944 - 01.jpg. - Jmabel ! talk 19:17, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Pictures downlinked from satellites

When satellite pictures are released by satellite operator, they are licensed according to that operator's policy, no problem. But, when images are dowloaded by someone else with something like SDR radio (like in this guide), who is the copyright holder of the images? Satellite operator or radio operator?

When someone downloads picture from American NOAA weather satellite, it's free either way (NOAA PD or any free licence downloader choose). But what about pictures from Chinese Fengyun or European MetOp? Trasheater Midir (talk) 17:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@Trasheater Midir: Hi, The pictures are not downloaded from the satellites, but from a down-to-earth server which is operated by the satellite operator. So the pictures are under a copyright by whoever created them (except for NASA or other US government agencies). Yann (talk) 18:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@Yann: “The pictures are not downloaded…” well, unless they are! A weird little corner case but nevertheless a valid thing to ask about. --Geohakkeri (talk) 18:26, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@Yann, sorry, but have you looked at the guide I linked above? How to Download Weather Satellite Images from Space. Weather satellites downlink images in easily decodeable formats, it's one of their functions. These images can be downloaded with radio and decoded with some program (like that one). It's a hobby somewhere between satellite watching and amateur radio. See also [1] or [2] for some examples.

I'm asking precisely about such images, not about more official images that are received on the ground stations, and then sometimes released. Sorry if I was unclear. Trasheater Midir (talk) 19:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Are users allowed to create categories based on their username?

For example, is it acceptable to make Category:Videos uploaded by Pdanese etc. etc.

I know some users create categories like this (e.g., QImages by <username>), but I want to make sure this is an acceptable action or if new categories should only be created to further the overall goal of the commons.

Thank you. Pdanese (talk) 17:58, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@Pdanese: Yes, these are OK, but they usually should be hidden. Yann (talk) 18:00, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

TYVM! Pdanese (talk) 01:05, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Pdanese: Please see also:

• Commons:User-specific galleries, templates and categories#Categories
• Category:User categories
• Template:User category

-- Asclepias (talk) 18:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

TYVM! Pdanese (talk) 01:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

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Image I have rights to use got deleted

I uploaded an image that I have rights to use online. I uploaded the original, unedited version of the image. It got deleted because an administrator cited a news source that has an edited version of the image on it (the same source who released the image rights for my use). What steps should I take if I want to re-upload this image to make it clear to others that I have rights to use it so that they cannot just delete it? EAWDA (talk) 02:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@EAWDA: I assume from context here that you are talking about a copyrighted image, where someone else holds the copyright. (You don't say just what image you are talking about, but I presume this is File:Genlin.jpg. When you uploaded that, you claimed it was your own work, which certainly did not help in sorting this out.) You personally having rights to "use the image online" is not enough for Commons. Commons only hosts copyrighted images if they offer a specific free license such as {{Cc-by-sa-4.0}} that allows anyone to reuse the image, even commercially (e.g. in a newspaper, a published book for sale, or even printed as a poster) and to make derivative works. That license must come from the copyright-holder, who is usually the photographer.

There are two ways the copyright-holder can provide that permission:

1. On a publicly visible web page that is clearly under their control, they can indicate the license for the image. This can be their personal web site, a publicly visible social media post, etc. Then anyone (including you) can link that page as the source and upload the image.
2. They can go through the process outlined at COM:VRT, in which they send a confidential email offering the license. They can identify the image as "Genlin.jpg", the team at VRT will know what that means. Once correct permission is received and processed (which may take weeks), the file will be undeleted. Might take a little longer if the email is in Chinese, but there are people on the team who can read that. (And, of course, once undeleted, the authorship should be corrected.)

Do please read COM:VRT, which explains how you can do this in the future without getting the picture deleted along the way. Jmabel ! talk 03:05, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Jmabel Your pointers are very clear, which bring me to think that it may be easier for me to upload other images that I have exclusive rights to, and those that have not been published elsewhere. In that case the image would not need to undergo the processes you pointed out.

Another related question if you may enlighten me. Am I in fact uploading images at the wrong place? I'm referring to images being usable on a Wiki page, which is my ultimate purpose. That does not require it to be a commons image, or am I wrong? EAWDA (talk) 03:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@EAWDA: If you are not the photographer, you would need to demonstrate why you have "exclusive rights". You'd need to go through COM:VRT yourself to establish with them the basis on which you own exclusive rights to photos you did not take. (The correspondence would be confidential; VRT is a small team of highly trusted, experienced volunteers.)

Yes, Commons is generally the best place to upload images for Wikipedia. Any image on Commons can readily be used on Wikipedia in any language; if you upload directly to a Wikipedia in a particular language, only that Wikipedia can use the image. Some of the Wikipedias (including English) have a limited ability to host certain images that are not "free enough" for Commons and are needed in their articles, but that allowance is usually quite limited (e.g. the English-language Wikipedia generally will not host images of living people on that basis). - Jmabel ! talk 04:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel Understood, and based on what you said it would appear to me that only a photographer of an image can effect the licenses of it for it to be usable on Wiki Commons. That bar seems to have been set incredibly high as it disregards commercially "sold" usage rights of an image. An example would be that if John Doe commissions a photographer to take portraits of John, and released all the rights of usage exclusively to John, John or his associates would still not be permissible to upload an image of him on Wiki Commons without it being taken down. I am quite new to Wiki so I may be stating the obvious here.

Also, I've done all the required steps to qualify as auto-confirmed user (over 4 days registration plus having done over 10 edits) but am still pending that status. I am trying to figure out why that is and I do see they have different requirements for different language Wikipedia, for example I remember seeing the Chinese Wikipedia page requiring users to be registered for over 5 days and done over 50 edits or something. I wonder if it is because when I registered I was on Wikipedia's Chinese page (even though all the info I filled in was in English) and that I was assigned to follow the Chinese Wikipedia requirements? EAWDA (talk) 08:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Your Commons account was created on 1 July. That’s the time you first visited Commons while logged in. The “confirmation period” started that day. --Geohakkeri (talk) 08:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Geohakkeri Sorry I was referring to my Wikipedia account. EAWDA (talk) 08:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@EAWDA: Each language's Wikipedia is a separate project. As you can see at Special:CentralAuth/EAWDA, you have only made two edits to English Wikipedia, so you aren't yet autoconfirmed on English Wikipedia. --bjh21 (talk) 09:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

"disregards commercially sold usage rights", etc.: sort of. If there is a written transfer of copyright, that can be sent to VRT. Anything less than that exposes legitimate reusers to an unacceptable risk. Consider the following scenario: you claim rights over a photo that "Photographer X" took. You upload to Commons and grant a license. "Magazine Y" uses the photo, conforming to your granted license. Photographer X threatens to sue Magazine Y for copyright infringement. Where does that leave them? - Jmabel ! talk 18:16, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Aktualisierung Firmenlogo

Hallo,

wir möchten vorschlagen, das Firmenlogo im Artikel Werder Feinkost zu aktualisieren. Das aktuelle Logo entspricht nicht mehr dem offiziellen Firmenlogo. Das neue Logo wurde bereits auf Wikimedia Commons hochgeladen Das neue Logo ist das offizielle Logo der Firma und wird auf unserer Website und in allen Marketingmaterialien verwendet. Könnte bitte ein Administrator den Schreibschutz aufheben oder das Logo direkt im Artikel aktualisieren?

Vielen Dank für Ihr Verständnis

Werder Feinkost Werder Feinkost GmbH (talk) 07:17, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Hallo Werder Feinkost GmbH,

das ist hier in Wikimedia Commons eigentlich falsch, weil es um eine Artikelbearbeitung in der deutschsprachigen Wikipedia geht. Ich habe das aber kurz erledigt. Einen "Schreibschutz" konnte ich bei dem Artikel übrigens nicht erkennen, den kann man ganz normal bearbeiten. Für deutschsprachige Anfragen ist hier übrigens prinzipiell das Commons:Forum besser. Gruß --Rosenzweig τ 07:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Request for trimming video

Is there any template that is similar to {{Remove border}} (which redirects from {{Crop video}}) that will crop not the border around the edges of a video, but marks that a video should be trimmed at a certain point? I have a video that I'm uploading now with Video2Commons that has some acceptable material for the first 5:50 or so, but the last 2:20 or so has some copyrighted work and it needs to be removed. I'm not that great with video, so I can't do it myself. :/ Any guidance on where I can post this request once the video has been converted and uploaded? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 12:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Said video just finished uploading: File:Eels (2013-04-25, Le Trianon, Paris, FR).webm. If someone could be kind enough to cut it off at 5:50-ish before they introduce the song at the end, that would be appreciated. Once that bit is gone, I'll embed it in Wikipedia. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

IDK if there's a template, but you could post a request at Commons:Graphic Lab/Video and sound workshop. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 14:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Merci. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:16, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Credit for uploading photo

Do you get credited for uploading photo? SloanBruce (talk) 23:13, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@SloanBruce: that question is a bit unclear. (1) The file page on Commons indicates what account uploaded it. (2) If you are the photographer and choose a license that requires that you be credited, you should be credited whenever the photo is used. (3) If you upload a photo that was created and licensed by someone else, then there is no requirement that reusers credit you for having uploaded it to Commons. (4) It is permissible to create one or more hidden user categories that apply to your uploads. (5) Your uploads (you have none, so far) will all be visible at Special:ListFiles/SloanBruce, which you can access from the "Unloads" link on the top nav (assuming you don't use some exotic skin that moves it elsewhere).

Does that answer your question, or did you mean something else? - Jmabel ! talk 23:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Request to upload program from meeting of the Merrie England Club, at the House of Commons, 1931.

Hello,

I have my grandfather's copy of the program for a meeting of the "Merrie England Club" in 1931. As such, I suspect this is in the common domain. As far as I know the club no longer exists. I don't know who one would ask for permission to post it; I doubt any of them are still alive. But I think this could be of historic interest as speakers at the event included: J. F. Shillaker, Esq., M.BE, M.P, Rt. Hon. ARTHUR GREENWOOD, P.C., M.P., Rev. HERBERT DUNNICO, J.P., P.C., M.P., FRED MONTAGUE Esq., M.P.

My intent is to share an image of the cover of this program on the "Merrie England" Wiki talk page. If there is interest and permission I will share images of the contents, and the signatures on the back. If there is interest, I suppose this could eventually find its way to the main wiki page.

Sincerely, Donald McLachlan DonMcL123 (talk) 17:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@DonMcL123: Copyright rules differ by country; where was this program published/in what country did the meeting happen? —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 18:33, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@DonMcL123: Unforunately, copyright can outlive organizations. If this was a 1931 UK photograph, it is possibly public domain in the UK if the photographer cannot be found with a reasonable search (web search is not enough), otherwise it's 70 years after the death of the photographer. In the United States, it won't be public domain until at least 2027. Abzeronow (talk) 19:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I presume "House of Commons" meant the UK House of Commons, especially with the reference to an "M.P.". - Jmabel ! talk 20:16, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi All,

Yes it is from the UK. As far as I can tell it is an etching / woodcut print on the program. It was printed by Baxter and Ewin, 7 Frith St, London. I could not find any current reference to that company. It is a program for a speaking event in the House of Commons in London. The cover has the usual where and when details. The inside left page is the menu. The inside right page is the list of speakers. On the back my grandfather collected signatures (presumably of) attendees. I would not expect something similar, like a theatre program, to be copyrighted more than 70 years. I am willing to share privately if it will help with a determination of copyright status. DonMcL123 (talk) 17:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Am trying to upload pictures

As i try to upload my pictures i get errors but i can not see them. why is this so BMKME (talk) 07:57, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

You should be able to see the pics you have uploaded here:[3] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Are images from eBay allowed?

I wanted to add this photo from this eBay listing to Draft:Vulcain but I'm wondering if photos from eBay are allowed, since they aren't copyrighted. RayKVega (talk) 17:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

No, it’s wrong to assume that the photos wouldn’t be copyright-protected. See COM:NETCOPYVIO. --Geohakkeri (talk) 17:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

If someone repeatedly creating empty categories for the same title, this counts as vandalism?

As the deletion log shows:

• 12:40, 1 July 2024 Billinghurst talk contribs deleted page Category:Kaohsiung Cingnian Night Market (empty categories per other deletion requests)
• 16:28, 21 February 2024 Túrelio talk contribs deleted page Category:Kaohsiung Cingnian Night Market (CSD G1 (test page, accidental creation, or page containing nonsense or no valid content))
• 17:12, 17 November 2023 Kadı talk contribs deleted page Category:Kaohsiung Cingnian Night Market (C2: Unuseful empty category) Tag: Adiutor

The page is always empty after creating and has been deleted three times, especially it has been deleted twice this year. It seems to have been created by someone who enjoys the empty category. If we create empty categories and keep them, what benefit does this bring to Commons? Or, what benefit does that have to the reader? If not, I think it will be better to protect "Category:Kaohsiung Cingnian Night Market" for a temporary time.--125.230.83.62 14:45, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

posting images made in Microsoft Word

In support of educational material and scientific presenations I frequently make images in Microsoft Word, using their drawing functions (lines, arrows, boxes, icons). Can these be freely distributed and submitted to WikiMedia? Would be great. Not sure whether especially the icons would be protected by license or not. 131.155.77.83 16:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

You can submit images that you drew in MSWord to the Commons and freely distribute them. As to the built in icons, you can read here about their use. So, you can use them in your images and distribute these images but cannot distribute the icons themselves. Ruslik (talk) 20:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm trying to upload a file for our company logo.

I'm trying to upload a file for our company logo. We are a deductible insurance company. What file and size should it be? I am the original designer for the logo and I'm employed by the company. Please advise. Is the Wikimedia Commons the right place to do so? Np3 1997 (talk) 21:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Np3 1997: Hi, On Commons, we only accept logos 1. if they are from a notable company, 2. if they are in the public domain or under a free license. So if your company is notable, please ask a legal representative to send a permission for a free license via COM:VRT. Alternatively, if the company has already an article on English Wikipedia, you can upload the logo there under a fair use rationale. Yann (talk) 21:51, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

To add to Yann's answer:

• Use an SVG file if you have it, but other types are fine if you don't.
• Any size that's recognizable, preferrably clear, and not absurdly huge is fine.

In short, don't worry too much about file type and size. Also, if the logo consists of "simple geometric shapes or text", you can upload it under PD-textlogo without having to ask permission. Kaasterly (talk) 02:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Просьба

Могу ли я попросить удалить фото на страничке Mons. Arbp.Henryk Trusilo Mons. Arbp.Henryk Trusilo (talk) 13:56, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@Mons. Arbp.Henryk Trusilo: is this about File:Архиепископ Герик Трусило.jpg or something else?

(via Google Translate) Это про File:Архиепископ Герик Трусило.jpg или что-то еще? - Jmabel ! talk 18:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Licensing: Is asking the creator enough?

Hello! A 3D artist, or an organization affiliated with them, has released slideshows with their art under CC-BY-SA before. I seek to use a work by them on Wikipedia, but this particular work, also from said organization, is from a different slideshow which doesn't say which license it's released under. This is probably an oversight; if I e-mail the organization and confirm it's released under said license, would that be enough to add it to the Commons, or does it require public proof? Kaasterly (talk) 00:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Kaasterly: Public proof or email to the VRT is required. The simplest thing is if they would indicate the license on the relevant source page; second best would be if they would indicate it on some other public-facing page clearly under their control and referencing the source page (which you can cite in the "permission" section of {{Information}} when uploading); third best would be for them to go through the VRT process. - Jmabel ! talk 02:11, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

That answers my question exquisitely. Thank you! Kaasterly (talk) 02:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Uploading a Logo

I'm trying to upload a logo to Wikimedia Commons, but this logo has been used within the 150 or so years, so it isn't public domain, the company that owns such logo is a big corporation that can't be easily reached from my knowledge, so how would I go about posting this? Anonimo3000000 (talk) 14:00, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@Anonimo3000000: "has been used within the 150 or so years" doesn't make a lot of sense. Could you please repeat that in a language in which you are more comfortable, and also be specific about what logo you are talking about and (if this is for an article) what article in what language? - Jmabel ! talk 17:55, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

with "has been used within the 150 or so years" i more specifically has been used recently enough to not be public domain.

the logo im trying to post is the logo for a now defunct italian pay tv channel called "RaiSat 2", its for the italian wikipedia page since it doesnt have the image, i might do the same with 1 and 3 if i can do it for 2, the logo was last used in 1999 before the channel was renamed to just "RaiSat Ragazzi", the division that managed these channels also has been shut down since 2010, the company that owned it is still around though Anonimo3000000 (talk) 01:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Anonimo3000000: It doesn't matter when they were last used; it may matter when they were first used.

Two things are going to matter: is the logo complex enough to be copyrighted and when was it first published. Given that the station was founded in 1997, I assume it cannot be older than that, and so if it was copyrightable it is presumably still copyrighted. Italy has an unusually short term of copyright (20 years) for government, academies, public bodies, and non-profit cultural organizations, but I assume from that name this had something to do with RAI, so it is none of those apply and it would get 70 years. Still, Italy also has an unusually high threshold of originality for copyright. Can you link a page that shows the logo, so someone can judge its level of complexity?

Also, in the future, complicated copyright questions are better asked at Commons:Village pump/Copyright than on the general help desk. - Jmabel ! talk 02:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

yes it has to do with rai in fact it was one of their multiple pay tv channels

here is a link to the logo on logopedia https://logos.fandom.com/wiki/File:Rai_Sat_2-0.png

alternate logo https://logos.fandom.com/wiki/File:20180304_153128.jpg Anonimo3000000 (talk) 10:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Anonimo3000000: I think that hand puts it over the threshold of originality even for Italy, so it's presumably copyrighted. We can't have it on Commons without a license from RAI, which they are very unlikely to grant. It looks like if you want to use it in the it-wiki article, you can upload it directly to it-wiki, with certain conditions. See it:Wikipedia:File_non_liberi. - Jmabel ! talk 15:57, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

© Nokia

"Uploaded a work by Nokia Mobile from Nokia.com with UploadWizard"

98.248.161.240 01:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Done Deleted as COM:CV. For future reference, list such problems at Commons:Deletion requests. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 02:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

  Or, more quickly, just put {{Copyvio}} on obvious copyright violations. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:02, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Update

I need to change my photo and update The news about me. The friend’s of mine that work at The page is dead and I don’t know to update it. thank for you help me alba Donati 80.182.83.202 04:52, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Do you mean in the article Alba Donati at the Wikipedia in Italian? If so, you may be looking for the help page Aiuto:Sportello informazioni there. -- Asclepias (talk) 05:38, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:A picture of you may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Maybe she just wants to replace this photo with this photo. -- Asclepias (talk) 14:05, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

The second photo is much nicer. So naturally, I put a "This file may meet the criteria for speedy deletion." on it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:56, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Alba Donati: I have no idea whether you are looking at this, and you didn't create an account so I have no obvious way to reach you, but if you want File:Alba Donati.jpg we are going to need a proper license for it, from the actual copyright-holder. Is there anything you can do to help us get in touch with them? - Jmabel ! talk 02:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Globe is the publisher of the French translation of her 2022 book (contact). -- Asclepias (talk) 04:12, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Club Logo - PFC Ludogorets 1945

Hello, I am an employee of PFC Ludogorets 1945 and I have been asked to try to fix the logo used on the Wikipedia page. I would really appreciate any additional information and help regarding this matter, because I am not fully familiar with the whole process. Nikolaykirchev (talk) 12:39, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Nikolaykirchev. I've responded to your question at en:Talk:PFC Ludogorets Razgrad#Club Logo. Please check there. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Postar imagem?

Como que eu consigo postar imagem??? Antônio Glauco (talk) 16:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Commons:First_steps/pt - Jmabel ! talk 18:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)